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grueling Metal’s’The Highwayman’is a MATURE comedian
With all the terrible intelligence of crime and corruptness run amuck in today ’s newspaper headline , one might be forgiven for hoping there was some invisible force or karma that kept the scale of justice spirit level . Enter Cliff Dorfman ( suite ) and David Arquette ( former co - star of filmdom legend Marlon Brando and squirm whiz ) , the penning partnership behind the new mush hero stripTheHighwaymanin the page ofHeavy Metal Magazine#299 this calendar month . A psychedelic , gritty and moderately frightening moral fable , " The Highwayman " hit all the right classical Heavy Metal beat .
An avenge Angel Falls of karma , The Highwayman is former Special Forces soldier Dan Cook , who , after meet a grisly end , is tasked by the big businessman that be to take the souls of the wicked before they commit violent acts upon the innocent . Only the first offering of this antiheroic avenger , Screen Rant sit down and spoke with the originative team about their somewhat trippy storytelling philosophy and next design with Heavy Metal .
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Screen Rant : Can you separate me a little bit about how you come up with this character reference , The Highwayman ?
Cliff Dorfman : Well I mean , David and I have been work on together for so long it ’s like second nature to have an idea and then I call David and I ’m care , ‘ hey I have this really with child idea , it ’s about water drop in the back of a fastback of an Eleanor and there ’s souls in the water drops . ’ He ’s like ‘ yeah , we have to make that relatable . ’ I ’m wish , ‘ ok , so what if the somebody in the drops were like , he ’s garner the soul ’ . And then Dave is like , ‘ yeah … like , karma ’ .
And I ’m like , ‘ ok , yeah , what if we wrapped karma in an American flag , and it was this special ops guy wire . ’ He ’s like ‘ yeah , but it ’s got ta be a alternative … something has to happen with his nipper . ’ That ’s how this gets born . And then all of sudden we start writing it , we have a proposal and luckily we had done another piece for Heavy Metal with an artist named Lurk [ entitle " The Land of Umbra " , featured inHeavy Metal Magazine#296 ] that David was very intimate with-
David Arquette : Yeah , I love him .
Cliff : Love . And we had an receptive door there , and we pitched it to ‘ em , and they loved it and they were like ‘ great ’ ! And now we ’re here .
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Cliff : And I guess we ’re going to see it in Heavy Metal before long , as we ’ve finally set up the way to- but we ca n’t talk about it .
David : That ’s true .
Cliff : We have this affair and , especially for me , I go to Davey with this all the time . Davey ’s all about honey , and I was very much until recently all about jurist . So it becomes this dichotomy between ‘ I need revenge ’ , and Davey going ‘ yeah , but you have to understand and love them ’ . So , we get to this place where , with Heavy Metal , and I think Matt Medneyhas done an amazing jobin come in and trying- not try on , actually taking Heavy Metal into , like you said , classical Heavy Metal[territory ] . And that ’s what the overseeing and the tenuous editing they did there with Matt and everybody was , to make certain we had that Heavy Metal twist on it .
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David : Y’know , one of the cool thing in just deal it with a twosome close friends were that they were like ‘ I desire to see more ! ’ but the whole idea ofthispiece is to tease out this domain that ’s in our head . Yeah , the public is n’t really like that , but it ’s queer , when you said that , it brought up this thing that happened to me yesterday where , out of nowhere , I had examine this donkey in an outmoded store . And I pick out a movie , and I sent it to this director who I did a movie with , who had a donkey in the movie , and we had all these jape about , ‘ hey , you ’ve got a great ass ’ and all this stuff . The domestic ass ’s a main [ part ] . I had a whole fit where I get drunk with the donkey . It ’s calledAmanda and Jack Go Glamping . So , I took a picture and I commit it to the guy wire and I say ‘ love you , and I ’m thinking about you ’ . And he goes , ‘ oh my god ! As soon as you sent that , a guy walk by with a bunce box that ’s playing [ The Cure ’s 1979 striking ] “ boy Do n’t call ” ! And in the cinema , I sing “ boy Do n’t Cry ” . So , it ’s little nuances like that that make me think , ‘ well … ' . It ’s allThe Simpsonsstuff . They ’re incredible about predicting the future .
Cliff : Yeah , Nostradamus .
David : But there ’s other things going on in this world that we have no idea what the physics and science , and everything behind it , and metaphysical nature of it [ is ] . So , I think we wish to explore some of that . We like to play with it , y’know ? And there are just things about life where-
Cliff : In research things like this , it ’s also very interesting to explore what ' regretful ' is . In other password , if you have a special wheeler dealer whose been doing this for 20 years and he ’s endure out there and “ belt down big guy wire ” , he ’s still killing people . And where ’s the line that you draw ? So if there ’s a corporate knowingness , an afterlife , whatever you require to say , then what happens there ? How does that line get disunite and how can you give for the uncollectible but still , you know , get reinforce for some of the commodity that you did , ifyoudidhelp , if killing ever aid , which , again , that ’s where the line gets drawn and hopefully we seek to put the proofreader , in seven pages , in the middle of that argument .
David : Yeah , I know totally , but it ’s also like Hitler . Evil mortal , we go in there , we get him , we fight the Germans and everything , and then we ’re the proficient guy wire , yeah ? But everybody’smurderingeach other , you love what I mean ?
Cliff : Yeah , to get to that finish .
David : Yeah , and in this sort of matter is : so , how does God do evil ? ( laughs ) You sleep with what I signify ?
SR : Oh , Jesus .
David : So he ’s this worldly-minded - kinda character whose good is vauger than most multitude ’s .
Cliff : Than his killing tally .
SR : You ’re speak about this nebulous idea that , ‘ yes it ’s all random , we ca n’t put this estimation that there ’s a plan all in there . ’ But there seems to be different kinds of causality that one casually notices from time to fourth dimension . Nietzsche called it everlasting return . That ’s a routine of a Heavy Metal idea , y’know , ‘ is there portion , and if there is fate , does it signify anything ? ’
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David : I do n’t know . Fate ’s such an interesting and eccentric one , because we have our own will , so we can " off " ourselves , that I suggest no one ever doing that . But we can also-
Cliff : We can make choices .
David : We can make choices . We can do trade good , or we can do softheaded shit , whatever it is . So , how does that all work?I do n’t know!Fate and fate ? I do n’t get it on ! It ’s all the kind of stuff and nonsense that we research in art to render to just grasp ‘ what the hell are we doing here ? ! ’ That ’s all I want to do .
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Cliff : It ’s an interconnection as well . I reckon , to the point that David ’s talking about , is that this interconnectedness that we break off from and we become theseindividuals . You know , the ‘ I am ’ estimate . And as we move out of that , and we start to realize that we’renotindividuals , and ‘ I am ’ really is something that really come from anall , then you have to commence to wonder about fate . Then you have to start to enquire about how the choice you ’re making , your luck , your destiny , or ‘ you ’re just random , and you ’re able to make those choices ’ . But eventually they catch up to you .
David : Yeah .
Cliff : And to me , again , that ’s why I eff dear Heavy Metal . It ’s because we get to have some Department of Justice . I get to say ‘ ok , so here ’s a bozo , he ’s a special operator ’ , and Davey goes ‘ yeah , so he die . What happen ? ’ Ok , he kick the bucket , he has to make a option and that ’s where it ’s lot and free will . So his free will was to be in the Special Forces and to kill these hoi polloi who he ’s killed that were “ regretful guys ” . The fate was , ‘ nah , you did some good , but now you ’re gon na have to pay for that ’ . And there ’s DoJ all around . And then these really bad people now get to get taken out , which is always fun .
SR : You ’ve created a moral parable in " The Highwayman " , contract all of these tiptop submarine sandwich - y ideas and meld them together into a successful pastiche . secern me a short more about this moral parable as you need to see it blossom forth .
Cliff : I know when David and I have talked about this in go fore in the comic book , which we hope we get to do , is that there ’s a lot of areas that are very timely where we can go in and originate amass soul and hit people very happy . Y’know , at least they can see it on a page , right Davey ?
David : What you were verbalize about earlier about affiliated and all that , I always line up it really interesting in medicine specifically . I entail , it happens with the actors too and creative person in general , but with music it ’s more obvious , because it ’s like Bob Dylan goes on this run where he is just channeling somethingsuper , like * explosion noise * and it ’s just blowing out of him . And then , I mean he ’s still doing great music and everything , but it ’s not the same , y’know ? You ’re no longer connected . And I see it with role player too where you may kind of miss your way , and I feel like that ’s a luck like with life , you kind of have to stay ground , you have to stay connected to it , you ca n’t lose focusing . I see some of these people in Hollywood and I just- I do n’t acknowledge . And heed , I lose my way a lot too , but when you may go from any sort of world and just flow into it and still kind of stay grounded and stay a part of it without being above it or so far off that you become a sketch of yourself .
SR : It ’s about humbleness .
Cliff : Yeah , that ’s good . It is about humility . What I got from it , I get to tell you , is that I opine we ’re run to have to take out some masses in Hollywood in the next episode . Highwayman might terminate up in Hollywood .
David : ( Laughs ) .
SR : Are we plot a murder here ? Oh my god !
David : No , just for people who deserve it . I mean , it ’s not murder . Karma , dude , karma . They were gon na get it anyway …
Cliff : We had no say , it ’s karma .
David : The sad thing is that , like , my personal belief is that none of it really count anyway … what happens when God gets bored ? Like , all of this ? And I also do n’t care everything going on . My belief … I used to think in capitol punishment , and then my friend sort of tattle me through it , and then I was like , ‘ oh yeah , that reach a stack of signified ’ and now I ’m completely against it . I ca n’t even imagine it . And- I have a crying baby come my manner .
SR : Aaaaaaaay .
Cliff : So you ’re just saying you got soft ?
David : ( As the noise of a small child reverberation in the background ) Yeah …
Cliff : I ’m the same way . I used to look at a motion-picture show and say ‘ oh , they used that minor as a equipment . plainly , they had to kidnap the minor , and then we ’ll all bewoorried . Ugh ! ' And then I get quondam and I ’m like ‘ do n’t have-to doe with the kidskin ! ’
David : I know … I knooow .
Cliff : ‘ Who would want to anguish the little tyke ? ’
David : Like , when you ’re a watching a movie and they really get you , when they make it real ; I imply , that ’s I estimate our whole goal . It ’s my goal as an actor , definitely as a writer too . To explore , to essay yourself , but to stay rightful , to be real . How can you do something so over the top , but stillgrounded ?
Cliff : Yeah , that heightened thing . Heavy Metal does it so well .
David : Yeah , theyreallydo .
Cliff : They allow you deepen and evolve and undercoat the characters to the place where you ’re like ‘ ok , I get this . This is something I can relate to in my aliveness , even though I ’m not kill hoi polloi , or karma . ’
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Cliff : Someone ’s walking in , man .
David : ( Laughs ) Yeah , oh , I ’m bad .
Cliff : He ’s thinking of getting into the newScream . ‘ Hold on a second . What are you doing here ? * Duhn!Duhn ! * Aaaaagggh . ’
David : ( manslayer representative ) ‘ Karma ’ ! ( rip noises ) . ‘ What ? Noooo ! ’
David : Yeah , you just gotgot . You jazz what , I had a crazy idea . I was driving today andI saw all these vultures , and I was just seem at them . There was literally probably about 15 around a dead cervid carcase . They were just going at it . And I was just looking at them , thinking like , maybe that ’s where shitheads go . When Harvey Weinstein choke , he ’ll be a vulture . If you experience your life as some form of kind of retard , then you might end up in someswamp .
SR : Yeah , the villains . You could almost interrelate to these characters , but then when you see what actually happens to them , done away with by an avenging holy man of karma , you ’re like , y’know what ? Good . I was really disturbed you were going to make these guys into the bomber , or something sappy like that . That ’s an interesting piffling touch .
David : Well , it ’s such a weird time justly now . There ’s so much going on . Just like a wad of things are coming into the visible radiation . There ’s no material hiding . Things just are come out all the time . So , for me , even if I ’m playing a real horrible heinous character- there was an amazing acting coach named Roy London , and he used to say " most scenes are about erotic love , but they can also be about greed or money or certain other thing " . On his deathbed , he sort of had this revelation . He said , " all these scenes are about love " .
What that think is that , when I approach different theatrical role , I ’ll seek to find out why is this go so malevolent , you get it on what I mean ? And typically , hurt citizenry bruise people . That was like some amazing philosopher said that . If that ’s the cause , then when did this innocent being become hurt , and then how did it add up to this character that we are now ? I cerebrate we get a certain amount of allowance [ in " The Highwayman " ] with the fact that there are people that have chosen a bad path , and it ’s time for them to go in a sense , because they messed this life sentence up . So hopefully they ’ll either get another life .
Cliff : Hi , Charlie .
David : I ’m so distrait . I ca n’t even keep my head together . It’sdriving me crazy .
SR : As you may see , it ’s just destroying everything .
Cliff : It is .
David : The percentage point being … that ’s an example . My pop used to be like ‘ daaaah , rah " , whatever . Now I encounter myself go like , ‘ MIKE , wILL YoU gEt InsIDe ! ’ And it ’s just this matter that ’s now in my blood . I also was have a therapy session and it was all grave , and I was blab out about my parents ’ union and the problems they had in it … and then the physician ’s tattle to me and I was like , ‘ but they ’re both endure ' . They ’re both go , but I have all this pain about their marriage . So then it ’s generational . How many generation is it ? And my son , my son does hooey that my wife ’s grandfather used to do . Like , how does that bechance ? There ’s just all these mysteries about life , and I think as artists we ’re just trying to figure ‘ em out . I ’m personally as a soul just trying to work out ‘ em out , to be a skilful person , to not make the same fault I ’ve made in the past .
Cliff : What he ’s saying is the building of these characters as an actor , and all these thing that go into it , like what ’s right , what ’s bad , his parent in their kinship ; if he ’s a bad hombre and he still goes and robs a store , or fall in love with a woman who get him to rob a store , it ’s still a person who has protagonist and still has a likeability to them . Someone like them .
How I was brought up , it was a very interesting dichotomy between fertile Jews and mobster in Long Island . For me , some of the worst guys- if you put them on paper , you ’d go ‘ they ’re in jail for three murders and they ’re horrible ’ . But if you talked to me about how they were growing up my whole life , you screw they were great ally and they protected me and looked out for me . Oh yeah , they kill three people . But you have that dichotomy and I think that ’s what Davey was launching in to , in building that as an thespian . How do you make these people masses that have supporter and parent , because every bad someone does .
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David : That ’s awesome . I ’m drab , it was n’t suppose to be so sullen … we have some crazy sex and stuff in it .
Cliff : Yeah , there is some good Kama Sutra stuff and nonsense .
SR : Yeah , I saw the whole affair , it was gravid . [ The creative person for “ The Highwayman ” ] Armitano …
Cliff : Oh my god .
David : That dude just blew us off . Oh my gosh . That artistry is just- I could n’t believe it .
Cliff : Yeaaaah .
SR : What do you opine insure your story take to life in such visceral way ? That ’s generate to be something in and of itself .
Cliff : Davey , you go into this first because Davey has an art aggregation that is like museum worthy . When it comes to art , I always defer to Davey . So please talk about the artistry for a sec , Dave .
David : Any groovy artist just kind of comes in and just lift everything and brings it to the next layer , and he certainly did that . I mean , I do n’t know , I get kind of mind - boggle when I ascertain that hooey , because I do some art , but when I look at pro at work I ’m just in awe of all the ink , the room they habituate their ink and the way they structure their [ compositions ] .
Cliff : Davey , what was that creative person you commission to do the Lennon and the James Marshall Hendrix ?
David : Oh yeah , Robbie Conal .
Cliff : What did you tell him to do ?
David : Well , Robbie Conal , he ’s an awesome creative person who does this objection art . He ’s been doing it for years . He did “ It Ca n’t pass off Here ” with George Bush , and “ Contra Cocaine ” with a skeleton , like , a lot of these wild things in the ‘ fourscore and ‘ 90s . And he ’s just such an incredible artist . He had a really huge impact on me because I was a graffiti artist as a kid , and we were extend around LA doing graffito , and all these Regan things [ popped up one day ] and it order “ Contra Diction ” because it was during the whole Contra cocaine affair .
I was like , ‘ man , calculate at this dude , he ’s putting these posters up , like , what ’s this about ? ' And then we look into it a little routine . Then we ’re walk by Otis Parsons in East LA at the meter , it ’s right on MacCarther Park , and they have a little veranda connected to the art school day and we go in and we see these painting in person . It ’s like two or threeinches thickof rouge . So these 2D image that we fall in beloved with , I ’m front now and they ’re three - dimensional and they have coxcomb - lines for eye wrinkles and all this stuff . And just- my head exploded in that moment . When artistry can do that , like , that is some of the funnest stuff .
Cliff : Davey , you commissioned that guy after on to do unique things for you , and what did you finish up getting ?
David : What happen was I was drive one day , and I ascertain out of the corner of my eye this creative person ’s [ artistry ] , I just know his dash . It was in this gallery . I walk in , and it ’s the Dalai Lama , Martin Luther King and Gandhi . I never had seen him do positive people before , it was always this variety of objection fine art . I found out and I adjoin him and I was like ‘ I never knew you did , like , good people . ’ And then he said ‘ yeeah ’ . So I commissioned him to do Jimi Hendrix , John Lennon and Bob Marley .
Cliff : You just told him you wanted those people , correct ? You did n’t give him instructions really , proper ? Which is what we did with this artist .
David : Yo , that ’s on the button it . When you roll in the hay an creative person is good , and this is as a film director , as an actor , as different things … and especially as a producer now I ’m learn it even more . Sometimes when you ’re green or young in the business organization , you kind of endeavor to control a sight of it . You just seek to almost do too much . And then when you get old you learn ‘ all of these people , they ’re actually so much better at this than I ever could be ! ’ Then [ when ] your best musical theme are happening , you have to be a little cautious about that , ‘ cause then it could , you know , everybody just jump in and it just gets puzzling . But when you bonk these mass are pros at what they do , you have to have them glow .
This is a perfect case . I did a movie calledThe Tripperwith Paul Reubens who was Pee - wee Herman . He ’s a darling protagonist of mine , I didBuffy the Vampire Slayerwith him . It was my first clip directing , my first prospect with him , I ’d already directed a week or so , so I was kind of in the channel . I had my first scene with him and he does this thing and , it ’s like a picayune big . And I tried to bring him down and it just altogether squashed his flavor . Just as an actor , I could see , ‘ well that was just … ’ So then I was like ‘ Ooooh . He ’s the kind of actor or individual that does n’t react to any kind of [ negative ] criticism . He only responds to the skilful stuff !
So you then boost him to then dive in , and then what that does is that gives him freedom and then we expose this wildly outrageous fun character , where he ’s just cursing all the clip or play all these fun things , but it ’s a matter of find out what ’s the good way to facilitate them be the best they are , rather than seek to control everything . I call up control is the big affair that [ stifle creativity ] .
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SR : Well , it looks like Armitano got your style …
David : Beyond anything .
Cliff : Well , I think that ’s what Heavy Metal also does so well is they ’re an artist ’s first cartridge . They really put the artist in the cutting edge of the conversation , so when you have a good piece of material , what Matt and the editors there and people like Justin Mohlman will do is they know on the button how to pair it . It ’s not like , ‘ hey , here ’s a bunch of artist you guys should attend at ’ . It ’s like ‘ we know exactly who to give this to ’ , and they give it to him or her , and you get back this hooey where it ’s like , you want to give notes , and that ’s what David was blab about . You get old and you agnize ‘ I do n’t cognize this ’ , but what I do know is that this bozo jump in our foreland and pulled it out , whatever we were writing on the page , he figured it out visually from frame of reference one . And honestly , I ca n’t tell you how he did that , but every prison term we deal with Heavy Metal , they chance the right artist for the right content . I see that across the dining table .
SR : Where do you see Highwayman going ? Is he going to save America?(After a abbreviated silence , Cliff and David express joy hilariously at this . The interviewer facepalms ) .
David : I get it on that !
Cliff : How do you walk back out of that ?
SR : Why did I say that ?
David : No , no , it ’s fine . I signify , it ’s softheaded what ’s sound on now . So , yeah , I imagine it ’s our job .
Cliff : I have in mind , someone has to . Why not ? Why not Highwayman ?
SR : That ’s what we ’re here to talk about !
Cliff : What you ’re getting is a glean of how we spell . So David commence utter about stuff like that . And then I ’m care listen and listening and they ’re all really full points , and I read how he ’s tying them , even if at first it ’s not come across and then I go ‘ oh yeah , ok right ’ . So this is the glean into what our physical process is .
David : Yeah , exactly .
Cliff : We desire to go bringing forward the backstory of his son , the forces that work him into Special Forces , you know why he take this . We can lay out a little more of that , so we get a little more sympathetic as to even why he ’s there . And then , we really do need to move into Hollywood and then we want to move into DC .
SR : And after that ?
We ’ve been talking to Matt and Tony DiSanto , ‘ cause what Heavy Metal did was theystarted a studio division . They ’ve been doing so many great things . David actually introduce me to Tony DiSanto when he was running MTV . We had sold a show to him as well . He ’s a bang-up bozo , so the fact that him and Matt are swipe up- now he has this studio division where they ’re originate these task and properties specifically to put into feature flick evolution . So we have a very … we ca n’t tease it out too much because we ’re just so frightened . Literally work on it for nine days , and it ’s this hopeful figure in Rome in the 3rdcentury .
It ’s basically like real macabre fairy tale . So it ’s base on fact , fabrication and a little fantasy .
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SR : Yes ! I do n’t desire to squeeze you , because you said you do n’t want to talk about it .
Cliff : We ’re die to sing about it . We ’ve been waiting nine age to lecture about it . We ’ve got to look for Matt to tell us it ’s ok to talk about it . And also , we do n’t require anyone have it from us because we ca n’t believe no one ’s made it already .
David : Yes .
SR : rent me actually make a supposition about this …
David : No ! !
SR : 3rdCentury , Roman Empire … I ’m going to guess it ’s someone like Artorius Castus . But that level already got made …
Cliff : That ’s nigh , it ’s got to do with Aurelian , it ’s got to do with J-
David : Agh ! Stop it !
Cliff : No one knows Aurelian , he ’s just an Emperor .
SR : Aurelian , oh yeah , he was the best military Emperor .
David : stop over ! What are you doing Cliff ? !
SR : We ’re just mouth about history , sir .
Cliff : We ’re just going down a route , it ’s not our route .
David : It ’s too much !
Cliff : It ’s a parallel road . And it ’s got a lot of love . I will say that .
David : It ’s about Neptune ! It ’s Roman Gods ! Well , Greek Gods , it ’s Greek .
Cliff : Yep , we have the Greek Gods in there , at the fall of the Roman Empire , and Aurelian ’s around there to take over for Claudius , so there ’s a transition of power . That ’s all we can say .
We spent nine years on this thing . I would do stuff like I teach all of the military formations . Dave ’s like ‘ you ca n’t compose every military formation in the legal action paragraph ’ . I ’m like ‘ why not ’ ?
David : Who care about aspatha ? It ’s a sword !
SR : I think , even with innovative Hollywood struggle , you still do n’t get a good feel for the real thing , most likely . genuine ancient battles were …
Cliff : Sloowand brutal and red and the great unwashed did n’t just die . citizenry were lying on the ground shout out for hours .
David : I am obsessed with this battle that ’s going on between China and India right now in the Himalayas . Have you heard about this ? There is a struggle going on without weapon . They ’re using sticks and bally spiked sticks and there ’s no guns , and I do n’t know what the hell ’s go on .
SR : I feel like you ’re pull my stage .
David : No ! China diverted a river so that they got more land . Then they said ‘ this is our country now because our boundary line ’s this river ’ , but they diverted the whole river ! So now there ’s this battle going on and for some grounds it ’s so high in the Himalayas that everybody ’s -it ’s hand - to - helping hand armed combat , and most of the mass are dying by being push off the drop-off !
SR : There ’s no way of life that that ’s real !
SR : No you do n’t ! Do n’t go anywhere nearly there ! But yes , going back to your thought , there ’s a lot of potential difference in those little covered eras of ancientness , especially the military safari .
Cliff : We learned all of it . Every bit of it . We scan all the Quran . All the formation , why they would take form in a sure way if it was a certain terrain . And again , this will all get broken down into what we ’ll do as a small-arm - by - while comedian that they ’ll launch into a celluloid . That ’s how Heavy Metal Studios is work . So I ’m unrestrained to see everything they ’re going to put out over the next couple of twelvemonth .
David : Me too .
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